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    QuoteOriginally Posted by Spankenstyne View Post
    Without trying to confuse the issue further, No they're not illegal.
    Both the common and scientific names are taken into consideration when identifying an animal. If there's a discrepency between the two that leads to confusion as to what's being referred to then the scientific name takes precedence.
    To dissect this a bit with examples that reflect both cases above...
    The law lists:

    Bullsnake, Pituophis melanoleucus
    Red-sided garter snake, Thamnophis sirtalis
    Long-toed salamander, Ambystoma macrodactylum
    European fire newt, Salamandra salamandra

    In the first two examples, the common name does NOT apply to the species as a whole. It ONLY applies to a particular subspecies which is native to Alberta. So when the law comes into play and BOTH common and scientific names are applied, this is the interpretation:
    Bullsnake, Pituophis catenifer sayi [the only subspecies called simply bullsnake, using the current scientific name]
    Red-sided garter snake, Thamnophis sirtalis parietalis [the only subspecies called by this common name]

    The current names for the animals potentially affected here are:
    Gopher snake, Pituophis catenifer [formerly P.melanoleucus, multiple subspecies]
    Cape gopher snake, Pituophis vertebralis [formerly Pituophis melanoleucus vertebralis]
    Pine snake, Pituophis melanoleucus
    Louisiana pine snake, Pituophis ruthveni [formerly Pituophis melanoleucus ruthveni
    Common garter snake, Thamnophis sirtalis.

    Note that the common names for the species as a whole are different from the common names for the forms in Alberta, which is why both names must be used. Thus, any member of these species which is not the same subspecies and common name as those found in Alberta, is "exotic". Since none is among the controlled "species", all the non-native forms are legal. A careful read of the law also indicates that any hybrid of a protected native with a legal exotic is no longer 'native' and thus is legal.

    In the third example, the native form is Ambystoma macrodactylum krausei [northern long-toed salamander], and possibly A.m.columbianum [eastern long-toed salamander]. However, the law refers to the common name for the entire species. That has the effect of making ALL subspecies "native" in the law and thus equally regulated.

    In the final example, we finally have a case of using the scientific name only. No member of the genus Salamandra is known as "fire newt", and no animal on the planet is known as a "European fire newt". Consequently, the so-called common name must be ignored entirely and only the scientific name is used. Since at the time of the law being instated, all but Salamandra lanzai and the Salamandra atra complex were considered a single species, this has the effect of prohibiting virtually all fire salamanders. That is, except perhaps S.lanzai which was described as a completely new species.

    I'm sure that confuses most people more than it helps. Basically, for the law to apply, an animal must be accurately described by both names. Only in rare cases of the common name being blatantly wrong is the scientific name used alone.
    The trend is to post names and numbers of "pets" here. That seems...um...bulky.
    23+ species of salamander
    28+ families and subfamilies of reptile, amphibian, and arachnid.
    Only one has a name. The Beast.

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    Fishes are regulated differently, in that non-native species are not dealt with directly by SRD. CFIA does deal with import of fishes because of the threat of transmission of diseases affecting Canadian fisheries:
    http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/...impprese.shtml

    Because sturgeon tend to get very large [which means they're slow-growing, long-lived, and low population density], and are subject to fishing and caviar harvest, they are subject [at least in part] to trade limitations. That means CITES, so when importing ANY sturgeon, double-check the CITES list first:
    http://www.cites.org/eng/app/2011/E-Dec22.pdf

    Appendix 2. Current export quotas for all countries for this species [CITES 2] seem to be "0". Ukraine has set quotas of zero, and no other country has reported a quota [listed as zero/unreported by CITES]:
    http://www.cites.org/common/quotas/2...Quotas2011.pdf
    The trend is to post names and numbers of "pets" here. That seems...um...bulky.
    23+ species of salamander
    28+ families and subfamilies of reptile, amphibian, and arachnid.
    Only one has a name. The Beast.

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    Found no mention of the California Lyre- Trimorphodon biscutatus vandenburghi...
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    soooo im a bit worried andconfuzed is my great basin gopher illegal? and can i sell its babies? from what i understood is the bull snake(sayi) is illegal but the others you cant posses?
    1.2 californian kingsnakes|2:1 boa constrictors|3.4 corn snakes|1.1 tokay geckos| 1.1 malaysian house geckos| 0.1 albino checkered garters| 2.0 ball pythons|0.1 savanah monitor|0.1 haitian curlytail|1.0 gopher snake|1.1 capet pythons|2:2 bearded dragons and many more to come

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    Great Basin Gophers aren't covered by the Alberta Wildlife Act but I believe are illegal without a permit, being covered Canada-wide by the Species At Risk Act (SARA) Schedule 1 listed as "threatened" here:
    http://www.sararegistry.gc.ca/specie...les_e.cfm?id=1

    Andrew would know much more about SARA and COSEWIC than I. I had been interested in Basins before (beautiful snakes) and was told to avoid anything on those lists but to be honest i'm not very familiar with the ins & outs of the act.

    Also of note I did see that Grey Rat snakes are also on the SARA list, someone had asked about them before.
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    ill have to try and get a permit then and yes lots of personality believe it or not mine were caught in drumheller by a friend. very nice keeled scales on them
    1.2 californian kingsnakes|2:1 boa constrictors|3.4 corn snakes|1.1 tokay geckos| 1.1 malaysian house geckos| 0.1 albino checkered garters| 2.0 ball pythons|0.1 savanah monitor|0.1 haitian curlytail|1.0 gopher snake|1.1 capet pythons|2:2 bearded dragons and many more to come

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    one more thing as well i cant see the brown water snake listed on there am i mistaken or is it legal? Nerodia taxispilota i ferget who but someone informed me it was illegal
    1.2 californian kingsnakes|2:1 boa constrictors|3.4 corn snakes|1.1 tokay geckos| 1.1 malaysian house geckos| 0.1 albino checkered garters| 2.0 ball pythons|0.1 savanah monitor|0.1 haitian curlytail|1.0 gopher snake|1.1 capet pythons|2:2 bearded dragons and many more to come

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    If they were caught in Drumheller you have Bull Snakes. Great Basins only occur in the Southern BC interior in their Canadian range.

    Great Basin Gopher Range:


    Bull Snake Range in Canada:
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    i thought it was a bull myself but everything points to great basin my female is only 3 and a half feet and my male between 2 and a half and 3. as well there face markings are that of a great basin i did have a bull snake at one point but was informed that they were illegal to posses which i now know you can posses them just not sell them or traffic. oh as well they are full grown at that size i have had them for 4 years. mabey they are bulls and just very small though
    1.2 californian kingsnakes|2:1 boa constrictors|3.4 corn snakes|1.1 tokay geckos| 1.1 malaysian house geckos| 0.1 albino checkered garters| 2.0 ball pythons|0.1 savanah monitor|0.1 haitian curlytail|1.0 gopher snake|1.1 capet pythons|2:2 bearded dragons and many more to come

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    Bulls are also illegal to possess. It was changed a few years back. If they were caught in Alberta then they are 100% Bull Snakes.
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