The Riverfront Gallery

[FrogO_Oeyes]

Pruned from another thread and relocated...

A number of photos are inaccessible right now, due to a broken thumb drive. That includes the helmeted crocodile skink, Tribolonotus novaeguineae, and the better pictures of the Kenyan pygmy chameleon, Rieppeleon kerstenii.

I'll reduce the size of these pictures after I post.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5139.jpg
Golden rock tokay, Gekko ulikovskii [possibly to be included in G.badenii]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5128.jpg
Guenther's leaftailed gecko, Uroplatus guentheri

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5106.jpg
Lined leaftailed gecko, Uroplatus lineatus. I think this is the one which spent a large chunk of the day "resting" on my upper arm and shoulder.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5199.jpg
Tokyo salamander, Hynobius tokyoensis

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5192.jpg
Oriental fire-bellied toad, Bombina orientalis

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5189.jpg
Haitian curly-tailed lizard, Leiocephalus schreibersi

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5178.jpg
Rose-bellied swift, Sceloporus variabilis

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5165.jpg
Spiny-tailed iguana, Ctenosaura sp.

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5153.jpg
Kuhl's gliding gecko, Ptychozoon kuhli [they always arrive loaded with mites. All reptiles are "nixed" on arrival]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5151.jpg
African mud turtle, Pelusios sp.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5149.jpg
Golden thread turtle, Ocadia sinensis.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5224.jpg
Frilled dragon, Chlamydosaurus kingii

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5215.jpg
Panther chameleon, Ambanja blue, Furcifer pardalis

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5013.jpg
Green ameiva, Ameiva ameiva

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5056.jpg
Ornate horned frog, Ceratophrys ornata

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5036.jpg
Indonesian blue-tongued skink, Tiliqua gigas gigas

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5031.jpg
Veiled chameleon, Chamaeleo calyptratus

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5030.jpg
Madagascan giant day gecko, Phelsuma grandis

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5247.jpg
Standing's day gecko, Phelsuma standingi

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5018.jpg
Cuban knight anole, Anolis [Eupristis] equestris

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5047.jpg
Cornsnake, charcoal, Pantherophis guttatus

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5287.jpg
Corn snake, snow, Pantherophis guttatus

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5291.jpg
Corn snake, anerythric, Pantherophis guttatus

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5299.jpg
Corn snake, wild type, Pantherophis guttatus

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5318.jpg
Chilean rosy tarantula, Grammostola rosea

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5322.jpg
Desert hairy scorpion, Hadrurus arizonensis arizonensis

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5325.jpg
Red-clawed emperor scorpion, Pandinus cavimanus

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5328.jpg
Black emperor scorpion, Pandinus imperator

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5330.jpg
King baboon spider, Citharischius crawshayi

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5333.jpg
Cobalt blue tarantula, Haplopelma lividum

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5335.jpg
Usambara starburst baboon spider, Pterinochilus murinus

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5340.jpg
Skeleton tarantula, Ephebopus murinus

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5342.jpg
Brazilian red and white tarantula, Nhandu chromatus

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5345.jpg
Pueblan milksnake, Lampropeltis triangulum campbelli

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5347.jpg
Sinaloan milksnake, Lampropeltis triangulum sinaloae

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5348.jpg
Mexican black kingsnake, Lampropeltis californiae

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5350.jpg
California kingsnake, high white striped, Lampropeltis californiae

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5354.jpg
California kingsnake, high white striped, Lampropeltis californiae

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5357.jpg
Chaco horned frog, Ceratophrys cranwelli

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5361.jpg
D&M fantasy horned frog, Ceratophrys cornuta x cranwelli

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5362.jpg
D&M fantasy horned frog, Ceratophrys cornuta x cranwelli

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5364.jpg
Columbian boa constrictor, Boa constrictor imperator

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5367.jpg
William's dwarf gecko, Lygodactylus williamsi

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5369.jpg
Leopard gecko, spotted tangerine, Eublepharis macularius macularius

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5371.jpg
Leopard gecko, red stripe, Eublepharis macularius macularius

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5372.jpg
Leopard gecko, Eublepharis macularius macularius

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5374.jpg
Leopard gecko, Eublepharis macularius macularius

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5375.jpg
Leopard gecko, Eublepharis macularius macularius

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5376.jpg
Leopard gecko, Eublepharis macularius macularius

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5378.jpg
Leopard gecko, Eublepharis macularius macularius

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5381.jpg
Cha-Pa mountain dragon, Japalura chapaensis

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5383.jpg
Tokay gecko, Gekko gecko

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5384.jpg
Crested gecko, Rhacodactylus ciliatus

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5385.jpg
Crested gecko, Rhacodactylus ciliatus

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5386.jpg
Crested gecko, Rhacodactylus ciliatus

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5387.jpg
Crested gecko, Rhacodactylus ciliatus

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5390.jpg
Asian [green] water dragon, Physignathus cocincinus

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5391.jpg
Inland bearded dragon, Pogona vitticeps

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5394.jpg
Marbled rock tokay, Gekko grossmani

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5395.jpg
White-line tokay, Gekko vittatus

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5398.jpg
Blood python, Python brongersmai

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5403.jpg
Madagascan yellow rock scorpion, Paleocheloctonus sp.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5404.jpg
Madagascan burrowing scorpion, Opisthacanthus sp.
Listed as "M.madagascariensis", suspected to be Opisthacanthus madagascariensis, shipped as "Hadogenes troglodytes, Madagascar" [which is not known in Madagascar].

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5424.jpg
Children's python, Antaresia childreni

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5423.jpg
Baja rosy boa, Charina trivirgata

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5421.jpg
Ball python, Python regius

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5417.jpg
Nicaraguan banded gecko, Coleonyx mitratus

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5444.jpg
African five-lined skink, Euprepis [Trachylepis] quinquetaeniata

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5442.jpg
Eastern glass lizard, Ophisaurus ventralis
I've been watching for years for specimens of O.mimicus...still no luck.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5440.jpg
Eastern glass lizard, Ophisaurus ventralis

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5438.jpg
Frilled dragon, Chlamydosaurus kingii

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5434.jpg
Peach throat monitor Varanus (Odatria) jobiensis

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5431.jpg
Savanna monitor, Varanus (Polydaedalus) exanthematicus

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5478.jpg
Cuban treefrog, Osteopilus septentrionalis

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5477.jpg
Honduran milksnake, albino tangerine, Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5473.jpg
Corn snake, amelanic, Pantherophis guttatus

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5472.jpg
White-lipped treefrog, Litoria infrafrenata

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5468.jpg
Common chubby frog, Kaloula pulchra

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5462.jpg
Red-eyed leaf frog, Agalychnis callidryas [helenae]

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5459.jpg
Bird dropping frog, Theloderma asperum

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5452.jpg
Paraguayan bumblebee toad, Melanophryniscus stelzneri

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5498.jpg
Paraguayan bumblebee toad, Melanophryniscus stelzneri

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5482.jpg
Dumeril's boa, Acrantophis dumerili

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5491.jpg
Hog Island boa, Boa constrictor imperator

[vangarret2000]

Do the spiny-tailed iguanas have the same bad rep as other iguanas?

[GONESNAKEE]

Do the spiny-tailed iguanas have the same bad rep as other iguanas?

My experience with the one I had to deal with I'd say they are far worse LOL
Mind you that was one specimen, but it was completely "insane", Mark

[joeysgreen]

I'll agree and I'm going off of four specimens. They are definately a look only lizard.

Ian

[Spankenstyne]

Never owned one but I've always heard they're constantly very cranky.

[GONESNAKEE]

They are likely all WC too whereas the other Iggys are probably all farmed now, thus more used to being "captives" then their relatives are, Mark

[KiKiKiKida]

Iguanas are so beautiful, I wish they weren't so nasty. >.< Not good pets. :P

[hobolyra]

I'm so glad uba is a sweetheart. Haha
That Peach Throat was tempting when I was over there.

[FrogO_Oeyes]

The black iguanas arrive as hatchlings, so there shouldn't be any difference between WC and farmed. It is likely that at least some of them ARE farmed, although Florida has introduced populations to feed some of the demand.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5531.jpg
A new picture to replace the ones I can't access:
Helmeted crocodile skink, Tribolonotus novaeguineae

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5552.jpg
Chinese warty newt, Paramesotriton chinensis, male on right

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5559.jpg
Chinese warty newt, Paramesotriton chinensis, underside

[KiKiKiKida]

Lyra, is she ever a sweetie! I wanted to pick her up and run off! :P

[Robchops]

That's a lot of pictures, are you the owner of Riverfront or just go there quite a bit? I will have to go by and check them out sometime.

Cheers,

Rob

[FrogO_Oeyes]

I am currently working there, although there are a number of stores I have been taking pictures at for years. In this case I can get pictures right after animals arrive.

[ARRKON]

hate to say it, but i just found that rosey you have posted dead here at home....don't know what from though.....

[vangarret2000]

Was it the boa or the tarantula?

[YK Thom]

Nice shots. What a menagarie. What is the Riverfront Gallery?

[vangarret2000]

Nice shots. What a menagarie. What is the Riverfront Gallery?

Riverfront is a petstore in Calgary. I think it's full name is Riverfront Aquariums. THe gallery part is because of all the photos for the thread.;)

[ARRKON]

it was the spider...bought it from riverfront just over a month ago now.....i checked on it this evening when i was feeding everything else, and found it in the "death pose", it legs curled underneath its body and hard as a rock...no big deal tho, it only cost me like 20 bucks.

[YK Thom]

I getcha. Must be a big outfit.

[JimD]

it was the spider...bought it from riverfront just over a month ago now.....i checked on it this evening when i was feeding everything else, and found it in the "death pose", it legs curled underneath its body and hard as a rock...no big deal tho, it only cost me like 20 bucks.

Are you serious? Just because it was "only 20 bucks" means it doesnt matter?

[FrogO_Oeyes]

hate to say it, but i just found that rosey you have posted dead here at home....don't know what from though.....
That's unfortunate. They're wild-caught, presumably adults, so 'available' lifespan is unknown. I'm not aware of any others which have died.

There were 12, and I photographed more than one. Hard to say which was yours, or even if I photographed it at all.

[Robchops]

I agree with Jim, If any tarantula of mine dies (no matter what the price even if it was a freebie) it bothers me. I believe that any animal dieing in my care is just unacceptable, whether it be a tarantula or a house pet like a cat or dog... to me they are my animals and my responsibility PERIOD! By your logic you could go out and adopt a cat or dog from the humane society and because it was free you would neglect it. I am not saying that is the type of person you are, but I would choose your postings a little more carefully, they can be interpreted many ways.


Personally I do not agree with how the reptiles are housed at Riverfront but that is a matter of opinion, So I will leave it at that.


Rob

[Robchops]

Statement has already been retracted, I will keep any comments/complaints to myself from now on.

Rob

[S & M Exotics]

Removed due to being BOI in nature, Mark

[StickyFeet.]

Ouch. Really? This type of attitude is definately not acceptable. $20, $200, or $2000, this is your animal, not some disposable pet because it was cheap. If anyone of our T's died, I'd be really upset, and I would wonder what went wrong instead of shrugging it off and saying "ohwell".

Maybe list the way you were housing it. Such as substrate, temperatures, enclosures, etc and those of us on here that do care about our "$20 tarantulas" can maybe tell you where you went wrong before anything else goes wrong and something else dies.




it was the spider...bought it from riverfront just over a month ago now.....i checked on it this evening when i was feeding everything else, and found it in the "death pose", it legs curled underneath its body and hard as a rock...no big deal tho, it only cost me like 20 bucks.

[YK Thom]

He WORKS there. He doesn't own the place. I'm sure they are better off having him than not.

[Robchops]

Nice pics.

Rob

[YK Thom]

Clear as a bell. I did in fact read the entire thread and am more than aware of what you had written (which was well tempered). I was making a point-that the general tone of the thread was turning into another tired version of the "bad petstore" deal all over again. Fine I suppose, but done to death, and not the original point of the thread. One doesn't have to live in Calgary to see that. It is clear from waaaay up here!

[little_luigi]

Maybe had you actually taken the time to read what I had posted you would have seen I already took into consideration he is NOT the Owner! Also are you not up in NWT... Kind of hard to have any REAL CREDIDIBILITY when you don't even live in the City! My words are very CLEAR, Unless you want me to capitalize every single IMPORTANT word, then I cannot be any clearer than what I am right now.

Please in the future take the time to read BEFORE you post!

Also Again to Frog eyes... This was not meant in any way as an insult to you, as I am sure you know if you have read this. This was meant as a Plee to tell your boss that things need to be changed.

Thanks for reading... the entire post hopefully!

Rob

If you have a problem why not tell the owner yourself, because I work in a petstore my self and it is alot diffrent then people who do not or have not worked in a pet sotre think. So if you feel so dis-heartened by it why not talk to the owner yourself, don't single an employee out to talk to the owner. The employees have to work with the owner you don't. So either you do something about it or cut Frog eyes some slack I am sure he is doing the best he can, and if he did feel concern for the animals in care there he would A: tell the owner or B: not work there.

[Robchops]

LOL alright fair enough, I will leave it alone. I was only trying to look out for the reptiles well being. Clearly I am the only person that took such offense to the way they were housed, although since it is quite obvious that I apparently over reacted... I will let it go. I have also edited my previous post as some people took offense to it.

[Robchops]

Actually just a side note on this, I have in fact worked for a pet store... and trust me I fought a losing battle with management to properly house and care for the reptiles we ordered in. I know how difficult it was to fight for proper housing and care, such as not putting Leos on sand, or not housing multiple snakes together. By the end of my time there I did not care any more what management had to say... I changed substrates myself, I came in on my days off (with no pay) to use my FREE time to help these reptiles. As I stated before if he would like to show his boss this post he is more than welcome to, it gives him something I was not fortunate to have while working at the pet store... SUPPORT!

Rob

[sluicebucket]

Too bad there wasn't a "standard" for housing and care of the critters; it would make the store owners at least accountable for proper care then.

[GONESNAKEE]

OK folks lets drop all the "petstore bashing" or whatever you want to call it Please & THX this is NOT the BOI, thus not the proper venue to do so & is not what the TARAS forums are for.
THX Mark
P.S. no need to apologise or anything lets just drop that end of the discussion here & save it for PMs, emails & BOI posts THX

[FrogO_Oeyes]

Most of this page is decidedly off-topic.

The animal care and housing are primarily in MY hands, although the stock is only influenced by me, and I have little influence on budget.

Most people are already aware that I am an advocate of housing multiple species together. This is hardly heinous, and is an approach shared by probably hundreds of thousands of knowledgeable herpers. It's not done blindly. Species are matched by size and ecology, and where possible, place of origin. That's a debate for other threads, but the evidence against multi-species housing has been *absent* and the argument has been supported only by logical fallacies. The iguana debate rages on as well, but most herpers do not advocate banning ANY species. Rather, the potential owner should be informed of their requirements and behavior beforehand, REGARDLESS of species.

[ARRKON]

all i have to say is that these forums become nothing more than a squabbling grounds for children. i'm done with it already.

[GONESNAKEE]

all i have to say is that these forums become nothing more than a squabbling grounds for children. i'm done with it already.

They are what you make of them, I suggest choosing to ignore the "drama" that tends to come along with certain topics such as petstores for example or those that tend to rub you the wrong way etc.
One can still enjoy the forums & there are many helpful informative posts as well as lots of great pics & stories as well.
Its funny how folks tend to be like the media & focus only on the negativity & drama rather than view the big picture & realize there is so much more than that on the go more often than not. Cheers Mark

[slamjay]

all i have to say is that these forums become nothing more than a squabbling grounds for children. i'm done with it already.

Take from it what you will, there is plenty of positive stuff going on here, but the human being is inherently dramatic. When you have a bunch of differing personalities and people who for the most part are quite passionate, then yeah you will have clashes.

On the other hand


it was the spider...bought it from riverfront just over a month ago now.....i checked on it this evening when i was feeding everything else, and found it in the "death pose", it legs curled underneath its body and hard as a rock...no big deal tho, it only cost me like 20 bucks.

Statements like this would seem to leave you open to "squabbling" since an animals life isn't a big deal if it "only cost me like 20 bucks."

[JimD]

all i have to say is that these forums become nothing more than a squabbling grounds for children. i'm done with it already.

Im used to my children not understanding worth.
They at least understand the worth of life.
Where does that leave you?

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Turtles/Pict5651.jpg
Stinkpot [common] musk turtle, Sternotherus odoratus.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Turtles/Pict5639.jpg
Redfoot tortoise, Chelonoidis carbonaria.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5628.jpg
African fat-tailed gecko, Hemitheconyx caudicinctus.

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5621.jpg
Chaco horned frog, green phase, Ceratophrys cranwelli.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5612.jpg
Chaco horned frog, albino, Ceratophrys cranwelli.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5748.jpg
Northern tomato frog, Dyscophus guineti

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5737.jpg
Chinese fire-bellied newt, Pingia orientalis

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5804.jpg
Ball python, mojave, Python regius


http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5756.jpg
Green tree python, Morelia viridis

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5807.jpg
Emerald tree boa, Corallus caninus

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5732.jpg
Red-tailed boa, Suriname, Boa constrictor constrictor

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5816.jpg
Carpet chameleon, Furcifer lateralis

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5790.jpg
Gargoyle gecko, Rhacodactylus auriculatus

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict5719.jpg
Black trap door spider, Idiops sp.?

[critternerd]

well, I think I need to brush up on my herping skills! I incorrectly named many of those guys... I have never even heard of most of them. Guess the naive 17 year old doesn't know everything after all!

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict51547.jpg
Amazon tree boa, coloured phase, Corallus hortulanus
[incorrectly identified in the trade as "Cook's tree boa]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict51533.jpg
Amazon tree boa, garden phase, Corallus hortulanus

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict51521.jpg
Ball python, pastel, Python regius

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict51517.jpg
Ball python, spider, Python regius

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict51459.jpg
Bearded pygmy chameleon, Rieppeleon brevicaudatus

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict51466.jpg
Bearded pygmy chameleon, Rieppeleon brevicaudatus

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict51468.jpg
Unidentified leaf chameleon, Rhampholeon sp.

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict51482.jpg
Spearpoint leaftailed gecko, Uroplatus sp.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict51503.jpg
Satanic leaftailed gecko, Uroplatus phantasticus

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict51548.jpg
Ornamental baboon spider, Heteroscodra maculata

[tegu_man]

anyone know what that mojavie is priced at?

[FrogO_Oeyes]

I don't recall, but it's no longer there.

[ARRKON]

the mojavie was about $600.

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict52209.jpg
Niger uromastyx, yellow, Uromastyx geyri [Agamidae, Uromastycinae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict52141.jpg
Sailfin dragon, Hydrosaurus weberi [Agamidae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict51906.jpg
Inland bearded dragon, sandfire?, Pogona vitticeps [Agamidae, Amphibolurinae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict52055.jpg
Inland bearded dragon, normal [left] and hypo [right], Pogona vitticeps [Agamidae, Amphibolurinae]

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict51904.jpg
Green basilisk, female, Basiliscus plumifrons [Corytophanidae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict52085.jpg
Brown anole, Norops sagrei [Polychrotidae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict52134.jpg
Puerto Rican crested anole, Anolis cristatellus [Polychrotidae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict52156.jpg
Green anole, Anolis carolinensis [Polychrotidae]

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict52210.jpg
Sandfish, Scincus scincus [Scincidae, Scincinae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict52104.jpg
Leopard gecko, hypo tangerine, Eublepharis macularius [Eublepharidae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict52108.jpg
Leopard gecko, tangerine red-striped, Eublepharis macularius [Eublepharidae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict52110.jpg
Leopard gecko, Tremper Mack snow, Eublepharis macularius [Eublepharidae]

[tegu_man]

that's a pretty hairy lookin leo, lol.

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict52116.jpg
Leopard gecko, super hypo tangerine carrot-tail, Eublepharis macularius [Eublepharidae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict52181.jpg
Leopard gecko, albino, Eublepharis macularius [Eublepharidae]

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict52204.jpg
White-lipped python, Leiopython albertisi [Pythonidae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict52061.jpg
Central American boa, hypo salmon, Boa constrictor imperator [Boidae, Boinae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict52065.jpg
Central American boa, Colombian anerythric, Boa constrictor imperator [Boidae, Boinae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict52148.jpg
Bronzeback treesnake, Dendrelaphis sp. [Colubridae]

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict52186.jpg
Corn snake, blood red, Pantherophis guttatus [Colubridae, Lampropeltini]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict52188.jpg
Corn snake, motley, Pantherophis guttatus [Colubridae, Lampropeltini]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict52196.jpg
Corn snake, hypo lavender, Pantherophis guttatus [Colubridae, Lampropeltini]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict52193.jpg
Honduran milksnake, tangerine, Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis [Colubridae, Lampropeltini]

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict52131.jpg
Clown treefrog, Dendropsophus leucophyllatus [Hylidae, Hylinae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict52086.jpg
Green treefrog, Hyla cinerea [Hylidae, Hylinae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict52135.jpg
Barking treefrog, Hyla gratiosa [Hylidae, Hylinae]

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict52145.jpg
Square-marked toad, Amietophrynus regularis [Bufonidae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict52138.jpg
Southern toad, Anaxyrus terrestris [Bufonidae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict52139.jpg
Green and black poison frog, chocolate, Dendrobates auratus [Dendrobatidae, Dendrobatinae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict52102.jpg
Strawberry poison frog, blue-jeans, Oophaga pumilio [Dendrobatidae, Dendrobatinae]

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict52140.jpg
Helmeted water toad, Calyptocephalella gayi [Calyptocephalellidae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict52090.jpg
Budgett's frog, Lepidobatrachus laevis [Ceratophryidae, Ceratophryinae]

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict52099.jpg
Eastern tiger salamander, Ambystoma tigrinum [Ambystomatidae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict52213.jpg
Gaboon caecilian, Geotrypetes seraphini [Caeciliidae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict52215.jpg
Congo caecilian, Herpele squalostoma [Caeciliidae]

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict52161.jpg
Tanzanian red thicktail scorpion, Babycurus jacksoni? [Buthidae] Was supposed to be B.gigas.


http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict52157.jpg
Singapore blue tarantula, Cyriopagopus paganus [Theraphosidae, Ornithoctoninae]


http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict52166.jpg
Thai zebra bird-eater, Haplopelma albostriatum [Theraphosidae, Ornithoctoninae]


http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict52221.jpg
Unknown male tarantula, suspected to be a cobalt blue, Haplopelma lividum [Theraphosidae, Ornithoctoninae]

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict52162.jpg
Fort Hall baboon spider, Pterinochilus lugardi [Theraphosidae, Harpactirinae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict52175.jpg
Red slate ornamental tarantula, Poecilotheria rufilata [Theraphosidae, Poecilotheriinae]


http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict51955.jpg
Indian ornamental tree spider, Poecilotheria regalis [Theraphosidae, Poecilotheriinae]

[slamjay]

How much are the caecilian?

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict52164.jpg
Peyson blonde tarantula, Aphonopelma clarki [Theraphosidae, Theraphosinae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict52167.jpg
Chaco golden tarantula, Grammostola aureostriata [Theraphosidae, Theraphosinae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict52170.jpg
Brazilian red and white tarantula, Nhandu chromatus [Theraphosidae, Theraphosinae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict52171.jpg
Pink zebra beauty tarantula, Eupalaestrus campestratus [Theraphosidae, Theraphosinae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict52179.jpg
Brazilian black and white tarantula, Acanthoscurria brocklehursti [Theraphosidae, Theraphosinae]

[mitchkranz]

Some of the boas you listed today are Bci not Bcc
the anery and the Hypo
These are both Bci or Boa Constrictor Imperator

[FrogO_Oeyes]

I'll have to take your word for it. Even the boas which were fairly certain in their IDs didn't key out correctly. I doubt that the subspecies as they are currently recognized are valid.

[mitchkranz]

I produced the Anery and brought it to wayne so I can guarantee that one.

Beautiful photos and thanks for taking the time to post these.

[slamjay]

Ok Andrew you can't post photos of things you've already taken home. It is mean. You owe me gas money now for my drive to Riverfront to look at the caecilian!

[sluicebucket]

Now, Jay! Calm down, ha ha ha! I have to admit is is mean of Andrew to do that. He could have at least posted that it was taken. But there are some nice photos.....

[FrogO_Oeyes]

Well, technically, it's not an ad, since I say nothing about whether anything on it is currently in stock :P

Sorry...we got four in, and two were initially for me. When they arrived, it was obvious that there were two species. Since I was short on other things, what choice did I have? :)

Not the easiest critters to photograph or ID, but I was able to use some circumstancial evidence to make *probable* IDs. I finally get to work with something that I based my email address on!

[slamjay]

How big do those ones get and are they "handleable" to a degree? Wayne asked if I was interested as he could get more but I wanted to see them first and get info.

[FrogO_Oeyes]

They're not as slippery as either Dermophis or Typhlonectes. They do get a couple feet long, but there isn't a lot of easily available info on either one. It's very much hit and miss on both species and availability [they were shipped as "Caecilian caecilian". They're not something I would recommend handling, but they could be handled carefully for demos. My Dermophis wasn't cooperative. I never tried to handle Ichthyophis, and Typhlonectes are constantly wet and digging in the mud, making them rather hard to handle. Boulengerula is another genus that sometimes appears in the trade, and I know they've made it to Calgary. I haven't seen them though.

[slamjay]

Also it was Brendan's first time in the new location. He commented that when the frogs are sold they will probably say about their new home(s) "I hate this place. Take me back to where I was before."

[slamjay]

Yeah I am always looking for stuff that is neat for demos and display that even if I don't let other people touch I can at least handle in limited amounts. So I thought they might be something interesting and different.

[FrogO_Oeyes]

Also it was Brendan's first time in the new location. He commented that when the frogs are sold they will probably say about their new home(s) "I hate this place. Take me back to where I was before."
Lol! Thanks! The barking treefrogs were calling within hours. I've been thinking about throwing a few of the other species into a rain chamber. The anoles have laid eggs. The veiled chameleons have bred. The Usambara three-horned chameleon is probably gravid [from the wild though]. Still fattening the firebellied toads however.

[Bamboozoo]

Great photos Frog! I enjoyed the thread. :)

[puremadness]

Great pics Andrew I really like the white lipped.

[Frogsnbugs]

Do you still have the Eastern Tiger Salamander? Only one, or was there more? Thanks :)

[FrogO_Oeyes]

There were three there last I looked.

[StickyFeet.]

FYI - Andrew, all of the picture links are no longer working!

[FrogO_Oeyes]

Temporary condition. I need to reduce the size of a lot of the pictures to reduce the bandwidth used when viewing them. There are a lot of pictures, so that could be slow and viewing will be intermittant until done.

[FrogO_Oeyes]

Hopefully the smaller images reduce the monthly bandwidth demand a bit!

[FrogO_Oeyes]

Babies!

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict8219.jpg
Asian forest scorpion, Heterometrus spinifer, with newborns [Scorpionidae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict8220.jpg
Asian forest scorpion, Heterometrus spinifer, newborns [Scorpionidae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict10722.jpg
Green anole, Anolis carolinensis [Polychrotidae] - CB, just hatched!

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict9663.jpg
Williams dwarf gecko, female and first four eggs, Lygodactylus williamsi [Gekkonidae]

[FrogO_Oeyes]

'phibs

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict8290.jpg
Slender torrent newt, Pachytriton granulosus [Salamandridae: Molginae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict9342.jpg
Peninsula newt, Notophthalmus viridescens piaropicola [Salamandridae: Molginae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict10662.jpg
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict10663.jpg
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict10665.jpg
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict10666.jpg
Zhejiang fire-bellied newt, Hypselotriton cf. fudingensis [Salamandridae: Molginae]
These look a lot like H.fudingensis, but have the body proportions of H.orientalis and reputedly come from nearer to the type locality of the latter. I would consider their status highly uncertain, and for varous reasons I am reluctant to assign them to any particular named species.

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict9856.jpg
Eastern tiger salamander, Ambystoma tigrinum [Ambystomatidae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict8313.jpg
Dwarf aquatic frog, Hymenochirus boettgeri [Pipidae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict9249.jpg
Common clawed frog, Xenopus laevis [Pipidae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict9969.jpg
Common clawed frog, albino, Xenopus laevis [Pipidae]

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict8978.jpg
Gray treefrog, Hyla versicolor/chrysoscelis [Hylidae: Hylinae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict9738.jpg
DeVosjoli & Mailleux Fantasy horned frog, Ceratophrys cranwelli x cornuta [Ceratophryidae: Ceratophryinae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict9749.jpg
Chaco horned frog, Ceratophrys cranwelli [Ceratophryidae: Ceratophryinae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict9750.jpg
Chaco horned frog, albino, Ceratophrys cranwelli [Ceratophryidae: Ceratophryinae]

[FrogO_Oeyes]

galapagos

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict8804.jpg
Painted terrapin, Batagur [Callagur] borneoensis [Geoemydidae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict8812.jpg
Painted terrapin, Batagur [Callagur] borneoensis [Geoemydidae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict9438.jpg
Steppe tortoise, Testudo [Agrionemys] horsfieldi [Testudinidae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict9448.jpg
African spurred tortoise, Geochelone sulcata [Testudinidae]

[FrogO_Oeyes]

crunchy bits

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict8967.jpg
King baboon tarantula, Citharischius crawshayi [Theraphosidae: Eumenophorinae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict8971.jpg
Thai tiger tarantula, Haplopelma vonwirthi [Theraphosidae: Ornithoctirinae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict9765.jpg
Thai tiger tarantula, Haplopelma vonwirthi [Theraphosidae: Ornithoctirinae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict9755.jpg
Fort Hall baboon tarantula, Pterinochilus lugardi [Theraphosidae: Harpactirinae]

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict9758.jpg
Desert hairy scorpion, Hadrurus arizonensis arizonensis [Caraboctonidae: Hadrurinae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict9785.jpg
Wahlberg's burrowing scorpion, Opistophthalmus wahlbergi [Scorpionidae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict10615.jpg
Vietnamese giant centipede, Scolopendra subspinipes subspinipes [Scolopendridae: Scolopendrinae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict10602.jpg
Hallowe'en crab, Gecarcinus quadratus [Gecarcinidae]

[FrogO_Oeyes]

el lagarto

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict8227.jpg
Sandfish, Scincus scincus [Scincidae: Scincinae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict9956.jpg
Tropical girdled lizard, Cordylus tropidosternum [Cordylidae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict10052.jpg
Bahamian curlytail, Leiocephalus carinatus [Leiocephalidae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict8997.jpg
Rainbow whiptail, Cnemidophorus lemniscatus [Teidae: Teinae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict9011.jpg
Golden tegu, Tupinambis teguixin [Teidae: Tupinambinae]

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict9283.jpg
Peach-throat monitor, Varanus (Euprepiosaurus) jobiensis [Varanidae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict9347.jpg
Panther chameleon, Ambanja, Furcifer pardalis [Chamaeleonidae: Chamaeleoninae]

[FrogO_Oeyes]

slitheries

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict9035.jpg
Borneo blood python, Python brongersmai [Pythonidae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict10139.jpg
Ball python, pinstripe, Python regius [Pythonidae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict8984.jpg
Emerald tree boa, Corallus caninus [Boidae: Boinae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict9944.jpg
Brazilian rainbow boa, Epicrates cenchria [Boidae: Boinae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict9771.jpg
Central American boa, T-positive, Boa constrictor imperator [Boidae:Boinae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict9116.jpg
Kenyan sand boa, Eryx colubrinus loveridgei [Boidae: Erycinae]

[DoubleMReptiles]

awesome pictures andrew

[Frogsnbugs]

I agree, awesome pictures, as always! Thanks again for sharing such interesting pictures! Beautiful!!!!

[hobolyra]

*Pst* if you get any more caecilian's tell me... I want one... lol
I love worms and worm like critters. No idea why...

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict10783.jpghttp://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict10792.jpg
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict10796.jpg
Red-eared slider, Trachemys scripta elegans [Emydidae: Deirochelyinae] [boarding for City of Calgary]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict10874.jpg
Florida red-belly, Pseudemys nelsoni [Emydidae: Deirochelyinae] [boarding for City of Calgary]

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict10857.jpg
Ball python, pastel, Python regius [Pythonidae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict10963.jpg
Suriname horned frog, Ceratophrys cornuta [Ceratophryidae: Ceratophryinae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict10972.jpg
Chaco horned frog, albino, Ceratophrys cranwelli [Ceratophryidae: Ceratophryinae]
I don't normally post a variant twice...but that's the actual color!

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict10900.jpghttp://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict10899.jpg
Black-backed land crab, Gecarcinus lateralis [Gecarcinidae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict10911.jpg
Flat rock scorpion, Hadogenes sp.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict10976.jpg
Ornate baboon spider, [I]Heteroscodra maculata [Theraphosidae: Stromatopelminae]

[FrogO_Oeyes]

Babies (again)!

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict10886.jpg
Veiled chameleon, Chamaeleo calyptratus [Chamaeleonidae: Chamaeleoninae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict10811.jpg
Chilean rosy tarantula, Grammostola rosea [Theraphosidae: Theraphosinae]

[joeysgreen]

Can you post some more pic's of the P. nelsoni to show size? Is it male or female? They arn't to common; I have a male, and is the only one I"ve seen.

Ian

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict10868.jpghttp://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict10881.jpg
Florida red-belly, dorsal and ventral, Pseudemys nelsoni [Emydidae: Deirochelyinae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict10865.jpghttp://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict10867.jpg
Florida red-belly, anterior and posterior, Pseudemys nelsoni [Emydidae: Deirochelyinae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict10863.jpg
Florida red-belly, profile, Pseudemys nelsoni [Emydidae: Deirochelyinae]

This is the largest turtle of the bunch and is at least a foot.

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict11061.jpghttp://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict11014.jpg
Bumblebee poison frog, Dendrobates leucomelas [Dendrobatidae: Dendrobatinae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict11045.jpg
Upland tomato frog, adult, Dyscophus guineti [Microhylidae: Dyscophinae]

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict11004.jpghttp://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict11084.jpg
Carpet chameleon, female, Furcifer lateralis [Chamaeleonidae: Chamaeleoninae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict11019.jpg
Madagascan giant day gecko, male, Phelsuma grandis [Gekkonidae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict11028.jpg
Colombian boa, Boa constrictor [Boidae: Boinae]
Attractive color and pattern.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict11036.jpg
Brown house snake, Lamprophis fuliginosus [Lamprophiidae]

[joeysgreen]

Thanks frogo. She's old and rough enough I had to key her out as well. I agree, P.nelsoni. I"ll post some pic's of my younger male once I get some better ones. He's tough to get a good shot of.

[tegu_man]

is that house snake for sale at rf? male or female?

[FrogO_Oeyes]

Yes. Two, and one was a special request. Unsexed.

[joeysgreen]

lol, the tail is in view in the picture, a real pro could tell you with that :)

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict11320.jpg
Tanzanian giant tailless whip scorpion, Damon variegatus [Phrynichidae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict11332.jpg
Tanzanian three-lined scorpion, Hottentotta trilineata [Buthidae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict11327.jpg
Metallic pink-toe tarantula, Avicularia metallica [Theraphosidae: Aviculariinae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict11344.jpg
Black earth tiger, Haplopelma aureopilosum [Theraphosidae: Ornithoctoninae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict11336.jpg
New River rust rump tarantula, Aphonopelma chalcodes New River [Theraphosidae:Theraphosinae]

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict11340.jpg
Chilean copper tarantula, Paraphysa manicata [Theraphosidae:Theraphosinae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict11348.jpg
Giant black and red tarantula, Pamphobeteus petersi [Theraphosidae:Theraphosinae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict11357.jpg
Flat-tailed house gecko, Hemidactylus platyurus [Gekkonidae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict11356.jpg
Brook's house gecko, Hemidactylus brookii [Gekkonidae]

[FrogO_Oeyes]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict11297.jpg
Central American boa, albino, Boa constrictor imperator [Boidae: Boinae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict11303.jpg
Emerald tree boa, juvenile, Corallus caninus [Boidae:Boinae]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg46/FrogO_Oeyes/Riverfront/Pict11315.jpg
Northern green tree python, juvenile, Sorong, Morelia azurea [Pythonidae]

[shailyn2005]

those last 3 snake sare amazing!!!!imay have tobuy somelike those someday

[S & M Exotics]

where did riverfront get the gtp?, is it cb?
i have been looking for a sorong for awhile now, do you guys know 100% it is sorong?
and how much you guys asking for it?

[OrdoMallus]

I like the A. Metallica. just from what I can see from the picture it looks most like Avicularia cf. metallica "Surinam".

Its not even sure the real avicularia metallica exists in the hobby, many holotypes and descriptions were destroyed during WW2 so there's not really any material left to compare it to. The Avicularia cf. metallica "Surinam" is from the same locaility as the real A. Metallica is described from and could possible be the real A. Metallica but might never really know which is true A. metallica sp. the "Surinam" has a completely black abdomen without any read hairs, so that's why I'd confer that its the cf. Metallica "Surinam"

:) still pretty nice T.

[FrogO_Oeyes]

where did riverfront get the gtp?
USA

, is it cb?
Probably

i have been looking for a sorong for awhile now, do you guys know 100% it is sorong?
Didn't order Sorong's, but the containers were labeled as such. There are currently no known physical ways of distinguishing M.viridis from M.azurea.


and how much you guys asking for it?
Sorry, but this thread is for images, not advertising prices or quantities. Images may be posted here weeks or months after they are taken, though in this case it's only two days.

[bubba]

Some Great Shots of the Incoming and probably Sold Stock down there in Calgary.

Jay from a observers point of View the Ceacilians are a definite attraction i know i have observed 2 species now these last few months one Aquatic i heard referred to as a water snake many many Times. The other was Terrestrial that was referred to as a "worm" man many times because its owner had to dig around in the mud to find it. Wicked cool Amphibians both of them.

Again Andrew thanks for Posting the many Pics Sure makes me wish we had a place as well stocked as this up here.

[Aussie Snake]

The tree boa/python are beautiful in person.

[megan_myne]

Amazing pictures. So much selection and so many great shots of different reptiles. Thanks for sharing.

[FrogO_Oeyes]

I like the A. Metallica. just from what I can see from the picture it looks most like Avicularia cf. metallica "Surinam".

Its not even sure the real avicularia metallica exists in the hobby, many holotypes and descriptions were destroyed during WW2 so there's not really any material left to compare it to. The Avicularia cf. metallica "Surinam" is from the same locaility as the real A. Metallica is described from and could possible be the real A. Metallica but might never really know which is true A. metallica sp. the "Surinam" has a completely black abdomen without any read hairs, so that's why I'd confer that its the cf. Metallica "Surinam"

:) still pretty nice T.
The descriptions were not destroyed, and really, they couldn't be - for a species description to be valid, it has to exist in multiple copies in different locations, so that others can examine it. I have a copy of the original description of A.metallica [get it here, but it's in German, and it's on page 185 in a 960 page volume: http://www.archive.org/details/verhandlungender2575zool ].

The solution to a destroyed holotype is to designate a neotype, preferably from a syntype, or at least from among animals which match the description and come from the same locality. If these match the description, there's no good reason to refer to them as anything but Avicularia metallica. The only reason I would apply "cf.", would be if there was evidence of at least two species matching the original description, and either the specimens are of uncertain origin, or they are from within the range of the second [unnamed] species. There's no evidence of more than one species being involved [apart from those which don't match the locality OR description, which makes them irrelevant]. Notwithstanding that most internet sites describe the origin as "Colombia", which off the top of my head is neither within the accepted range, nor even the source of animals in the trade! :S

I'll have to translate the original description and make a comparison to be sure, but if it fits, it's A.metallica. Many of the other wild-caught creatures available at the same time as these are also obviously sourced from Suriname.

I'd recommend downloading that volume [if you can read German]. Ausserer actually described MANY new tarantulas from around the world in the single paper, and many of them are still valid. There's a good chance that this is far from the only one with missing holotypes, as most specimens would have likely been conserved in the same museum and been destroyed at the same time. At least some would likely have had neotypes designated, or been accepted without.

[OrdoMallus]

The descriptions were not destroyed, and really, they couldn't be - for a species description to be valid, it has to exist in multiple copies in different locations, so that others can examine it. I have a copy of the original description of A.metallica [get it here, but it's in German, and it's on page 185 in a 960 page volume: http://www.archive.org/details/verhandlungender2575zool ].

The solution to a destroyed holotype is to designate a neotype, preferably from a syntype, or at least from among animals which match the description and come from the same locality. If these match the description, there's no good reason to refer to them as anything but Avicularia metallica. The only reason I would apply "cf.", would be if there was evidence of at least two species matching the original description, and either the specimens are of uncertain origin, or they are from within the range of the second [unnamed] species. There's no evidence of more than one species being involved [apart from those which don't match the locality OR description, which makes them irrelevant]. Notwithstanding that most internet sites describe the origin as "Colombia", which off the top of my head is neither within the accepted range, nor even the source of animals in the trade! :S

I'll have to translate the original description and make a comparison to be sure, but if it fits, it's A.metallica. Many of the other wild-caught creatures available at the same time as these are also obviously sourced from Suriname.

I'd recommend downloading that volume [if you can read German]. Ausserer actually described MANY new tarantulas from around the world in the single paper, and many of them are still valid. There's a good chance that this is far from the only one with missing holotypes, as most specimens would have likely been conserved in the same museum and been destroyed at the same time. At least some would likely have had neotypes designated, or been accepted without.

Well, I see what research I've done has led me a bit astray. But what I'm wondering is if that would also contain the original description of A. Avicularia. I definately don't understand any german, so that's gonna be a bit difficult lol. But I know that there is 2 different localities of what 2 sp of A. Metallica we have in the trade. One is "Surinam" and the other I have written down and I can draw it off the top of my head right now. But basicly there's difference in look. Not sure if there's any difference between setae count or anything like that that would make them a different Sp. But different colouration on the abdomen, having red hairs and one not having them at all, as well as the legs and carapace having an almost black dull coloration and the other having a blue almost like A. Avic. I'll have to look into it a bit more, I'm just starting to scratch the surface with the Avics but I'm really looking for some of the original descriptions so that I can start to be able to identify that there is or isn't visible other Sp's

[OrdoMallus]

Here are the two forms I was aware of and the differences between them basicly the descriptions I've been able to find previous to help identify them. Although its not really anything concrete that would prove between different sp's or not. There isnt any other differences between them though that I've been able to find, thats why I'd beleive them to be the same SP but just a different locale that has a bit of a different morph or traits, nothing identifiable enough to be a different SP.

Avicularia cf. metallica "Cayenne, French Guyana"
This is the most common one in the hobby with reddish hair on the sides of the abdomen and on the front part of the abdomen closest to carapace.

Avicularia cf. metallica "Surinam"
This from the same locality as the real A. metallica is described from and could possible be the real A. metallica but that we might never know? This one has a completely black abdomen without any red hairs. Both cf. have the "frosted" hairs on them giving them the fuzzy and identifiable trait that only the A. metallica's have.



Currently the only Sp's that I'd concretely identify without wondering if it is a hybrid or different locality morph of an sp, out of the Avicularia genus would be A. versicolor, A. diversipes, A. purpurea, and A. minatrix. The other sp's are so close that I wouldnt be surprised that if some of them were the same species and just missidentified.


Avicularia avicularia, Avicularia braunshaunseni, Avicularia azuraklaasi, avicularia aurantiaca, avicularia juruensis, Avicularia bicegoi, Avicularia huriana, and Avicularia pulchra and alot of the other sp's that are supposedly in the hobby, I wouldnt really trust the id's on. Just because there isnt really enough information on alot of the sp's and expecially available to the average hobbiest that is trying to Id a species that they bought from a LPS. Not saying that there isnt good id's on it out there but, its really just not readily available and misidenifying sp's in the the hobby is very common when it comes to the Avicularia genus.

[FrogO_Oeyes]

All of which is true. There are more than 50 described species, a number of them described fairly recently. Older descriptions often have been relatively short on details, but even so have been more detailed than the descriptions of herps of the same vintage. The real issue is whether A.avicularia and A.metallica are separate species, and I think there's good reason to think they are. However, the average person is often inclined to judge solely based on superficial traits, which leads to many bad IDs among hobbyists [herp, invert, or otherwise]. People extend that error in one of two ways - by believing every variation to be a distinct species, or by believing variations to represent "hybrids". Both of these are overcome by recognizing what is or is not likely to be a variable trait for the group in question. See enough, and it should become obvious. While many variations may be found in a particular area, those which only occur in particular combinations and have their own unique distributions are likely to be distinct species. Those which mix and match traits, with the traits having separate distributions, are likely variants within a species. Mantella are a great example: Mantella nigricans, M.pulchra, M.cowani, M.bernhardi, M.haraldmeieri, M.baroni, and M.madagascariensis were all treated as a single species 20 years ago. Understandable, given that 3-4 of these may occur in a single location. Each, however, has a particular set of colors and patterns, details of voice, habitat, and a separate distribution. IE, just because M.baroni, M.madagascariensis, and M.pulchra can be found at a single location does not mean that where you find one you will automatically find the other "variants" (because they are not a single entity).

In any case, before I stray too far from straying off topic...

A.metallica has a pretty vague origin, but it does have a reasonable though slightly under-detailed description. If one does NOT accept that it is a valid species, then animals imported as such could be described as Avicularia cf. avicularia, given that the two are similar but of uncertain status. At present though, the evidence is stronger that they are separate species, than that they are not. The best resolution is to accept A.metallica as valid, possibly pending further study of the two. Given that species described more recently tend to have very small ranges, it's quite likely that more than one species would be called A.metallica in the hobby, and quite possible that those from Suriname represent more than one. For the Cayenne specimens [which may have been only exported through Cayenne, after being collected on the Suriname border!], the details don't quite match the original description of A.metallica, and "cf" is justified until such time as a firm ID is established. For those reputedly from Suriname, "cf" is inappropriate, since the locality and description both match and there is nothing to indicate that they are not. The original description has a curious section, regardless of whether you read it in English or in German:



Abdomen mit sammtschwarzen, anderselben färbung und grösse wie an den Beinen




Abdomen black, otherwise same coloration and size as in the legs

This makes no sense. Same color and size as in the legs? The only way that makes sense is if it's in reference to the hairs ON the abdomen, in which case both populations match A.metallica, apart from locality. This should be one of the easiest species to ID, given that animals matching the original locality and description are readily available from what is nominately the same origin. Of course, those labeled "white toe" or "Colombia" should be obviously wrong.

Here's a recent description/re-description of three Avicularia, to compare the details provided now, versus 1875:
http://www.mapress.com/zootaxa/2009/f/zt02223p047.pdf

Anyway, I'm not one to consider trade IDs as anything vaguely accurate, though to a degree I will if circumstancial evidence suggests it is [as it does here].

When I refer to Alberta boreal toads as Anaxyrus.cf.boreas, it's because I know that Alberta animals are probably NOT the same species as those from the Olympic peninsula which own the name. The sense it's being applied to pink-toes, one could equally apply to every *individual* organism which has not had its genotype compared to the holotype, just because that means there's some vague possibility that the two are not the same. Canis cf. familiaris? Lampropeltis cf. californiae?

My point is that A.metallica is correct for Suriname specimens, and A.cf.metallica just indicates that hobbyists often don't understand nomenclature or how to use it.

[GeckoNerdling]

it was the spider...bought it from riverfront just over a month ago now.....i checked on it this evening when i was feeding everything else, and found it in the "death pose", it legs curled underneath its body and hard as a rock...no big deal tho, it only cost me like 20 bucks.

Wow. Please do not own any pets in the future. It is very clear they do not matter to you and will be much better off in other people's hands.


Holy SMOKES these pictures are AMAZING!!!! I am going to have to go visit this Riverfront petstore next time I'm in Calgary... So cool!!
I ESPECIALLY love that high white striped California kingsnake... absolutely GORGEOUS.

[OrdoMallus]

While myself I would believe that A. Metallica is a different sp rather than just a varient of A. Avic or another sp. But where do you identify and draw the line between varients and different species. You used the example of the Mantella being all 1 species 20 years ago, all beleived to be colour varients of the same species (although not exactly the best example as you say they have different mating calls and voices, and other definately indentifying factors) With the A. Avicularia, where do you distingish between varients and different species? Besides locale they have very little difference in behavioral traits, they don't have social interactions like say the Mantella do. So besides locale and physical distingishing features, there's little else to compare them on. That's part of why it doesn't surprise me that hobbiests have been trying to call them different sp's or making up locality names as they don't know when to draw the line which is a varient and which is new sp. Ex. Avicularia sp "Peru". Well, I'm sure there's a variety of species that are spread through peru.

Now I fully believe that there are many varients of A. Avicularia and that most of what people are calling a different sp are actually just A. Avic. The problem in my mind, is that now they have brought all these species into the hobby, haven't properly identified them and hobbiests are just left to guess or make-up whatever they feel like. And let's say that each varient isn't just a varient, its a different species. Now hobbiests have crossbred tons of these species, creating hybrids. Now what do we call the hybrids? Are they all going to be identified and able to be labeled as a hybrid? I doubt it. That's the problem with the Avicularia genus, their willingness to crossbreed between just about any species. Ex. A. Purpurea will willingly breed with A. Versicolor, two definately identified different species. If that's the case (them all being different sp, I don't believe it is but just for example), a lot of the identificiation of individuals in the hobby would be moot at this point because how do you know its not a hybrid? Or if you can identify it as a hybrid, a hybrid of what? (Doesn't really matter, if you are distinguishing that it is hybrid at that point it becomes a "pet-only" status in my opinion.)

Edit: here is a list of species that I have found from peru, so for example when its A. Sp "Peru" which species is it really? Its very vague and tons of species are being sold acording to locality, nothing to do with a description or even a picture to be able to identify what you're even purchasing and its commonly accepted as a legitimate species descriptor.

Avicularia species from peru:
Avicularia aurantiaca
Avicularia aymara
Avicularia azuraklaasi
Avicularia urticans

[OrdoMallus]

Btw, Andrew, thank you for posting that link, I have been looking very hard for articles just like that to describe most species and I've been struggling to find anything more than just superficial looks that dont have key identifying features of different and specific species. I'd definately be interested in more if you have them, if you posted them in the reference links or could help me find them on my own would be greatly appreciated.

[FrogO_Oeyes]

The Ausserer paper includes descriptions of several Avicularia, though not all AS "Avicularia". I have Exothermae 0 & 1, and I think 1 includes a review of the genus plus a thorough description of one species. That's a paper magazine though, and is for-sale new, so I won't be scanning it.

This site is a good jumping off point for references, and provides download links for some:
http://www.exoticfauna.com/tarantulabibliography/Avicularia.html

Older material is increasingly available free online, through one source or another. The Biodiversity Heritage Library is one - just look up the journal title [occasionally, two titles by the same publisher may be VERY similar, making it hard to download the right one]. BHL titles are indexed according to the original pages, which means you can put the page number into Adobe and go straight to the correct page. Mostly though, you will have to dig. Make a spreadsheet or .doc with a full bibliography of papers you want. Sort them by journal title, then go to the UofC library and download the copies of the journals they subscribe to. For others, you might be lucky enough to dig up a copy stashed somewhere on the web, if you know how to really dig when you search. For ZooTaxa papers, ask a friend at UofA to download and email, unless you have a friend at James Cook U in Queensland [or elsewhere]. Sometimes you just contact the communicating author, as I often do, or request or download it from the author's website.

As for IDs...yes, the hobby is problematic that way. More particularly, the hobbyists are, since very few make the effort to learn the traits which are ACTUALLY useful for distinguishing species. Most go by "it kinda looks like..." The traits exist. Knowing what they are and how to use them would go a long way to resolving the problems. For instance, a number of Avicularia have males WITHOUT tarsal spurs. By identifying mature males from their exuviae or spurs, one can rule out a whole raft of species from any further consideration. Good, clear macro shots on a neutral background with a ruler in view will allow color comparisons, approximate and relative lengths, hair counts and arrangements, etc. It doesn't matter so much WHAT the traits are, only that they are different between some animals, and similar in others. As long as you have two or more traits in common and at least one different from others, it's a good indicator of separate species.

Mantellas, BTW, remain a good example. While voices and details of behavior do differ, the casual observer wouldn't notice this, especially if they are not already suspecting the animals to be different. Such details could well be present in pink-toes as well, such as slight details of courtship behaviors, stridulation [present or absent], poo-flinging, etc. The Mantella were problematic largely because three species which are sympatric appear to form a continuum of color and pattern [baroni ==> madagascariensis ==> pulchra]. Looking closely though, each has peculiarities which only occur in a particular combination. M.pulchra has a brown back and brownish stripe around the nose, brown legs, and squared off shoulder blotch. M.baroni has a black back, distinct thin white stripe on the nose, usually not connected to the shoulder, orange limbs, and a round shoulder spot. M.madagascariensis is variable, but has a squared shoulder blotch, distinct nose stripe which often connects to the shoulder - legs may be brown or orange, and the back will be anything but smooth brown. At a glance, they blur together, but a detailed look shows that each has more than one trait in combination and at least one different from everything else.

[OrdoMallus]

Thanks for the info. I am really trying to move away from the superficial Id's and get into more practical ones as I've for the most part gotten a handle on identifying most of the poecilotheria genus. (Still for the most part need to use quick references I have saved and written down) and I've been getting a pretty good handle on the Theraphosa's (very very few true T. Blondi's out there, only T. Strimi for the most part) but as of late I've been trying to find Avics but its been tough to find good solid information. But this will probably help get me into the right direction.

[FrogO_Oeyes]

The problem isn't unique to spiders. Here are some of the common herp issues. These were seen within the last half hour:

Cordylus tropidosternum SPECIFICALLY identified as C.cataphractus, partly the result of using the wrong common name, leading to identification as an unrelated species which is simply not available.
Japalura chapaensis commonly identified as J.splendida
Kassina maculata identified as Boophis reticulatus [more often as Hyla marmorata, both from different families and continents, and sometimes as K.maculosa, a different species]
Gekko grossmanni identified as Christinus marmoratus [more often as G.marmoratus]
Kinyongia tavetanum identified as K.fischeri

Others...
Kinyongia tenue identified as Rhampholeon sp.
Kinyongia matschiei identified as K.fischeri
Kinyongia multituberculata identified as K.fischeri
Tropidophorus baconi identified as T.apulus [which is actually a synonym of T.grayi, a different species], or confused with the nothing-alike Tribolonotus by using the wrong common name ["crocodile skink" instead of "water skink"].
Acanthosaura spp. identified...when a large percent of the species are unnamed and most have no idea how to identify the ones which are.
Acanthosaura spp. confused with Phrynosoma hernandesi because the wrong common names are used!!!!!
Chondrodactylus turneri [Gekkonidae] and Tarentola annularis [Phyllodactylidae] identified as Chondrodactylus bibronii. One isn't even in the same family :S

There are zillions more.